Session Start: Sun Nov 04 00:18:57 2007 Session Ident: Heimdallr 00:19:06 hi Heimdallr 00:19:32 you guys are seriously not considering to have non-dispellable kafra foods? 00:19:43 all other ROs have it like that, why deviate from the norm? 00:23:59 Perhaps we do not want WoE and PVP to be filled with uber walleted people 00:24:25 rather it be more of an in-game skill set. 00:24:39 But yes we are considering it. 00:25:07 Ours are so cheap that they come out to about the price of a bless scroll which also dispells on death. 00:25:32 Good for PVM, and that is what we wanted it to advantage. 00:26:52 I am curious what your take on making the in-game Foods not dispell on death is. 00:27:02 they are really hard to attain 00:27:22 True, so them not dispelling on death would give them a higher value wouldnt' it? 00:27:36 they already have a high value 00:27:43 relatively that is 00:27:55 Well the kafra items will crush that value. 00:28:13 they cost more to make than what they can be vended for 00:28:31 kRO made them available as kafra item obviously because they realized it didn't turn out quite so well as monster drops i guess 00:28:46 giving them the non dispell would give them a use for PVP/WoE use that the kafra items are not intended to fill. 00:29:04 :\ 00:29:23 you should just raise price on kafra foods and make them non-dispellable 00:29:35 they are surprisingly cheap anyway 00:29:39 All that does is make rich people buy them. 00:29:57 and regular folk are stomped on by people that are in constant +60 stat mode 00:30:03 i don't think it will be much different this way 00:30:15 really the only use is pvm grinding 00:30:29 that is what we wanted. 00:30:31 say leveling an assassin in ID3, where the chance of death is minimal 00:30:51 Why do you think the rental items haven't shown up? 00:30:55 if you'd make it non-dispellable and keep it at the same price, everyone could benefit from it in every area of the game 00:31:08 We don't want it in every area of the game. 00:31:34 instant cast for free at all times for some classes is not desirable, they need to work a bit harder for it. 00:32:34 they still have to give up a lot for instant cast 00:32:44 like armor, upper headgear, accessories 00:32:52 also orlean's glove will be a real rarity 00:32:52 If there was a way to make the kafra foods plain not work in WOE PVP it would be done 00:33:36 the only classes that really benefit from the kafra foods are highwizard and scholars 00:33:39 Right now they work there, but it is risky since you may lose it. 00:34:20 although scholar is strong on it's own as a debuffer, you can't say they are extremely effective as a bolter 00:34:27 I want to set it up as best as possible so the kafra foods and the normal in-game cooked foods work in tandem not competing. 00:34:38 and wizards... they are basically useless on most new maps and looked down upon in pvp 00:35:04 i wish korea wouldn't give you free reign over this hahah 00:35:29 trust me you want the buffer we offer between what they give and what gets put on. 00:35:54 You may not care since you've been around forever, but anyone that has been here less than 2 years wouldn't be here. 00:36:38 but the thing is, what you see on the forums is mostly the same people over and over with barely 10m at their hands 00:36:43 new players that struggle to get lvl90 00:36:57 may sound sad, but it's the truth 00:37:01 I'm actually going off of people on fansites as well as people griping at us on emails. 00:39:12 i have a suggestion 00:39:24 keep the foods like this for a month's timespan 00:39:35 then change the foods to non-dispellable for another month's timespan 00:39:50 and see how sales go and what reactions are like 00:39:57 that is not a true test. 00:40:15 Because of course sales will go up for them if they are non-dispellable. 00:40:25 perhaps we are looking a bit deeper than sales numbers. 00:42:52 i just don't understand, the other RO servers are fine with it 00:42:56 why is iRO against it then 00:43:19 They may have communities in a non-western mindset. 00:43:48 some of the versions item malls have been so corrupted that the in-game stuff is worthless. 00:45:00 I still like the idea that RO is still a game that you can use or ignore the kafra shop and not be at detriment to your game play. 00:45:22 The more items that come out the harder that line is to hold. 00:46:19 well you implemented pipe, evolved ribbon and evolved MG D: 00:46:38 Yeah I know there was much arguing over that. 00:46:58 the one that crushed the ribbon market. 00:47:21 you can't retroactively remove them and give players back their points 00:47:21 ? 00:47:50 pipes were not expensive to begin with, and the normal MG can be slotted and perhaps upgraded. 00:48:34 yea, i guess a +9 maestro MG would be invaluable compared to a +2 str evolved thing 00:49:04 still, a plain +0-8 s.MG doesn't surpass the kafrashop item 00:49:09 but the ribbons I agree that crippled that, but the normal ribbons were more of a cute rather than effect item. 00:49:32 the peco headband was another bad imo 00:49:48 Well it doesn't = an in-game item. 00:49:58 considering its effect, moonie card is worthless now 00:50:04 Sure if I could combine the effects of about 5 of the items I would. 00:50:39 same goes for red glasses which made gibbet sunnies totally useless 00:50:44 i wonder if anyone has those actually 00:50:53 no not too many. 00:54:36 ok then 00:54:46 make two tier of kafra food items 00:55:02 one that stays at the current price, but also get their duration reduced to 20mins 00:55:14 and dispells? 00:55:16 yes 00:55:25 and one that significantly costs more, but doesn't dispel and lasts 30 mins 00:56:47 what about if the in-game items don't dispell and last 30 minutes and can be traded, and instead we offered a kafra "cooking supply kit" that has random items that are used in making level 10 food? 00:57:12 hahah 00:57:24 and that kit was cheap. 00:57:46 I want to not have the in-game system be relegated to non-usage. 00:57:53 an OBB-like item that drops random, 10 non-dispellable food 00:59:17 I like this bartering for stuff that ultimately all I can do is put in proposals to make it happen. 00:59:48 I'm tossing ideas on what your reaction would be as I know your mindset on this issue does conform to a group of our users. 01:01:15 i don't know... i was just really looking forward to the food items as they are on other ROs 01:01:29 why can't you use the ones that are sold now? 01:01:40 because they dispel of course 01:01:43 i pvp and mvp a lot 01:01:50 if you can buy 10 of them for the price of 1 on other RO versions why die 10 times in 30 min 01:02:00 also my leveling method consists of dying with osi clip for full sp 01:02:15 and then getting a rez and continue 01:03:24 mvping is the same on champ, death between each asura 01:06:52 brb, rebooting Session Close: Sun Nov 04 01:06:53 2007